In the 1970s, Pastor David Ned was living in a rough neighborhood in Baton Rouge, Louisiana.

At the time he was nicknamed “Brave Dave” and carried a gun for protection.

In an interview with his friend, Darius Clark Monroe, Ned remembered a time when he had to make a decision about whether or not to use it.

In a separate broadcast, learn about how David and Darius first met during a bank robbery.

Originally aired April 24, 2015, on NPR’s Morning Edition.