“She was one of these women who would grab a rattlesnake by the tail and snap its head off.”

On a fall day in 1981, Ricardo Ramirez accepted an offer to become a bishop in San Antonio, Texas.

At StoryCorps, he remembered the dozens of phone calls he made that day. One of the first was to his grandmother Panchita Espitia.

Recorded in Mesilla, New Mexico
Produced by Jasmyn Belcher
Facilitated by Anaid Reyes
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