Reverend Robert Crum talks with his wife, Linda, about Hawthorn Hills Ministries, a shelter he helped open as a place for troubled youth, battered women, and people struggling to make their way in the world. Rev. Crum refers to it as “The House of Refuge,” and says, “I quit preaching the gospel, and began living it.”

Originally aired March 23, 2007, on NPR’s Morning Edition.