“The Betsy Ross story intrigued me.”

Bob Heft remembers designing the 50 star U.S. flag as a high school student in 1958. At the time there were only 48 states in the Union.

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Bob Heft: In American History Class, we had to do an outside-of-class project. We could make or do whatever we wanted, like a science fair or something like that — you bring the project in.

The Betsy Ross story intrigued me. My mom and dad, they had a 48-star flag they received as a wedding present, which of course meant a lot to them. Well, I took a scissors and cut it up.

I had never sewn in my life. I watched my mom sew, but I had never sewn. And since making the flag of our country, I've never sewn again.

So anyhow, we get to class: I had my flag on the teacher's desk.

The teacher said, "what's this thing on my desk?"

And so I got up and I approached the desk and my knees were knocking.

He said, "why you got too many stars? You don't even know how many states we have."

And he gave me a grade of a B-minus. Now a B-minus ain't that bad of a grade. However, a friend of mine, Jim, he'd picked up five leaves off the ground — he's taping these leaves down to the notebook and labeling them elm, hickory, maple — and the teacher gave him the grade of an A.

I was really — I was upset.

The teacher said "if you don't like the grade, get it accepted in Washington. Then come back and see me. I might consider changing the grade."

Two years later: I had written 21 letters to the White House. Made 18 phone calls. Now, you can imagine when my mom got the phone bill:

"What's this number?"

"Well, mom, that's the White House."

So anyhow, I got this call, and it said, now, "the President of the United States is calling you later on today."

Well at that time Eisenhower was president, and he comes on the phone and he says "is this Robert G. Heft?"

And I said, "Yes, sir, but you can just call me Bob."

And he said "I want to know the possibility of you coming to Washington, D.C., on July 4th for the official adoption of the new flag."

And so I have the grade book. It's encased in plastic; it's kept in a bank.

My teacher, he said "I guess if it's good enough for Washington, it's good enough for me. I hereby change the grade to an A."